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 Post subject: Suddenly - many Folbots
PostPosted: Tue Apr 19, 2016 12:27 pm 
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There are three Folbots on eBay right now.
One Aleut and two Coopers.
All claim to be New.
They also want new prices.

So the question is:
Since Folbot is defunct
1) are the boats more valuable because unobtainable
Or
2) are they less valuable because of no support

Time will tell.

For me, if I were buying a "new" Folbot, I'd want to see a substantial discount because of no warranty and no support.
Offer me a new Cooper for $1,000 and I'm very interested.
Want me to pay new price? No thank you.

If you look at what actually sold recently, two Coopers sold for under $1,000 and two GIIs sold for $600 each. All appeared to be in very good condition. I think that's more realistic given the situation now.


Meanwhile there are also four beautiful Supers for sale.
One is a folder.
One has a full sail rig.
They want serious money for them.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 19, 2016 12:42 pm 
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"Like" button, but... sigh :roll:

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 21, 2016 10:54 am 
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I was waiting for springtime before trying to sell my Citibot and TPU skinned Cooper. Age and old injuries have made it difficult to get in or out of them. I suppose I will now have to wait for the dust to settle from the Folbot implosion before proceeding.


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 21, 2016 11:18 am 
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Or you could just try undercutting the prices of the others...

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 21, 2016 11:20 am 
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Earl, say it isn't true.
You're leaving the ranks of the folding kayakers? :(
Sorry to hear it.
Old age has a way of changing our lifestyles for sure.
I'm not looking forward to the day I have to let my kayaks go.
All the best in whatever you do instead of kayaks.

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 21, 2016 12:29 pm 
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That's funny. I see only one Cooper--a new one.


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 21, 2016 1:01 pm 
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flatwater wrote:
Earl, say it isn't true.
You're leaving the ranks of the folding kayakers?

It isn't true. I will continue to paddle my Greenland II until I can no longer devise methods of managing it's weight during transport. When that time comes I guess I will have to find a place by the water. I have lots of spare parts salvaged from my first G2 which was heavily damaged when the trailer separated from the tow vehicle due to road debris. I gave a few items to folks on the forum, the unbroken plastic frames to one and the triangle piece that goes at the front of the washboards to another. About half the aluminum frame members are still usable as are the sponsons. The hull looks as if someone unloaded a full magazine of 12 gauge 00 buckshot into it.


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 21, 2016 1:50 pm 
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You could build yourself a "shanty boat" (try googling it if you are not familiar with the term-- there's lots out there)... and build it so that there's a space down the middle, inside, to keep your G2 safe when you are away. Would make launching easier, plus giving you that "place by the water"...

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 22, 2016 11:34 pm 
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flatwater wrote:
There are three Folbots on eBay right now.
One Aleut and two Coopers.
All claim to be New.
They also want new prices.

So the question is:
Since Folbot is defunct
1) are the boats more valuable because unobtainable
Or
2) are they less valuable because of no support

Time will tell.

For me, if I were buying a "new" Folbot, I'd want to see a substantial discount because of no warranty and no support.
Offer me a new Cooper for $1,000 and I'm very interested.
Want me to pay new price? No thank you.

If you look at what actually sold recently, two Coopers sold for under $1,000 and two GIIs sold for $600 each. All appeared to be in very good condition. I think that's more realistic given the situation now.

I agree. Trying to get near-original price even for a new boat now seems unrealistic now that Folbot appears to be defunct. $800-900 for a Cooper seems more reasonable.

Currently there's a Cooper on sale for $1500/OBO and a Kodiak for $1600/OBO. Unless they have significant latitude in terms of 'OBO', I doubt they'll find any buyers.

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PostPosted: Thu May 19, 2016 8:43 pm 
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oldkayaker wrote:
flatwater wrote:
Earl, say it isn't true.
You're leaving the ranks of the folding kayakers?

It isn't true. I will continue to paddle my Greenland II until I can no longer devise methods of managing it's weight during transport. When that time comes I guess I will have to find a place by the water. I have lots of spare parts salvaged from my first G2 which was heavily damaged when the trailer separated from the tow vehicle due to road debris. I gave a few items to folks on the forum, the unbroken plastic frames to one and the triangle piece that goes at the front of the washboards to another. About half the aluminum frame members are still usable as are the sponsons. The hull looks as if someone unloaded a full magazine of 12 gauge 00 buckshot into it.


Hey Earl,
Did you want to find a home for the G2 Hull with buckshot issues? I have a hull without the inner and outer alu bands on one end....

Sorry we did not see you at the Flotilla last winter,
Best,
Jon

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PostPosted: Fri May 20, 2016 8:51 am 
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oldkayaker wrote:
About half the aluminum frame members are still usable as are the sponsons.

Unless you're thinking to keep them for future repairs, you could probably sell those last few parts here.
In fact, I need a stern keel assembly and one stern longeron to repair a GII I have. On the other hand, I may part it out depending on how many people show up needing parts.
It all depends on how far in to the future we can see - predicting when Eric will revive Folbot. Anybody clairvoyants out there? :)

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